Received a couple interesting email notes in the past few days. Some
inquiring about the newspaper articles that Ingeborg Höld told me
about. Others were about June and my experiences this summer in
Germany. (These pages are getting read fairly widely.) There was a
on the B-W message board that was apprehensive about the language
in visiting the area. One of the responses seemed to indicate that it
worse that they thought, because the Schwabish dialect is so different.
I responded and told of our enjoyable experiences, and that there was
language problem for us.
One of the messages sent to me made specific reference to one of my
ancestors, Maria Magdalene Allshouse, mother of Susannah Lessig who was
the wife of Frederick Christian Held, my Ggrandfather. There appears to
be some confusion in the Allshouse research community in this area.
Some time ago I responded to a call for people to enter US Census
into computer format for the GenWeb Project. I volunteered for the
Armstrong Co, PA censuses. I now have a hard copy of the actual
compliments of SK Publishing. Since someone had already developed an
for each (included), it is an easy matter to look up specific entries.
However, the data are not really very good, since basically the only
given are the name of the head of household and household counts of
White Males and Free White Females in age brackets.
Received an email from another cousin, Barbara (Barb) Dimarco, in the
Held line. She is the daughter of Dolores (Held) Yost. She sent me some
more data for their part of the family tree. She also indicated that
mother is on the net, so I've added her too.
I added a new page to this webpage: a list of the family email
Not all are researchers, but most are interested in the family
Was at my local LDS FHC today. All of the microfilm readers were full,
but a computer was available. So I captured the microfilm catalog
for a couple more towns of interest to us: Tennenbach (where there was
a reference to "der Helt von Marpach" in the 1200s), Marbach (an old
near Biesingen), and Schalkstetten (where the Blyholders may have come
from). While I was there I decided to look at the IGI - International
Index© file which contains listings of births, marriages, and
Much to my surprise I found old Hans Held and Anna Saltzmann listed as
the parents of two children: Johannes b: 1663 and Michael b: 1666. Both
of these Held children had Ordinances, meaning someone had them
in the LDS Church posthumously. This also means there is probably a
tree in the LDS Ancestry© file. The IGI© CDs were dated 28
1993, which makes the Ordinances over 5 years ago. I will try to find
was researching that part of the family. They baptized one of the
that died, and not the later Michael that is our direct decendant.
Just had to go see if there was an LDS Ancestry© entry for old
Held and Anna Saltzmann. Sure enough, someone had entered another part
of the Held family that ended at the same place that I'm stuck right
I captured 5 generations of this family down from Hans and Anna. All of
these Helds had Ordinances written for them. I've ordered the microfilm
where the actual Ordinances are shown to see who it was and if possibly
they are still alive. These data are not listed in the IGI© or
files. The date range on the Ordinaces in that microfilm was 1924-1956,
so they were written at least 42 years ago. From the data that are
they were submitted at the main temple in Salt Lake City. By the way,
arm of the family also had Bosserts, but so far I've not found a
to our Christina Held's grandmother from the Mönsheim area. When
and I were in the area last July, I notices several Bosserts in the
at Öfingen and wondered about any connection. I also checked the
file for any Wanners and found at least one that is in our line.
Many of these Held entries in the IGI© and Ancestry© files
were listed as born or married in Villingen and Donaueschingen,
with Biesingen, Sunthausen, Oberbaldingen, or Öfingen preceeding
sometimes without. Ingeborg Höld is researching Villingen. I must
find if some of these Held listings are also there or if the researcher
simply put in a close larger city instead of the actual village for
I must now check the top of each ancestral line of J.D. & C.
to see how many other ancestors have already been researched.
Made a minor change to the lead page today. Did you notice? You may
have to do a reload.
Been spending a lot of time trying to make families out of the LDS IGI
data. These data are not family sheets. They are individual birth
(with parents), marriage records, and death records, basically the data
as entered in the old church books. To make families out of them
you must merge all of the common parents together, plus maybe a wedding
record. If you're lucky the parents also have at least an estimate for
their birthdates, otherwise you must create one.
The merge feature in Family Tree Maker does not merge without a lot
of coaxing. For the more part, the parents must be merged manually. In
many cases a birth date was not entered, only a christening date. It
have been nice to have a merge engine that would have helped do some of
these things. I started with 5481 Helds parents and spouses and I'm now
down to 4758 and still have a long way to go.
ATTENTION Held decendants of Frederick Christian Held and Susannah
Lessig (and John David Held and Susie Edna Riggle). If you or any of
children are interested in becoming a member of the Daughters of the
Revolution (DAR) or Sons of the American Revolution (SAR) you have no
than two (or three) ancestors who were soldiers in the American
Army: Henry Allshouse and Johann Christian Lessig both Susannah Amanda
Lessig's Ggrandfathers (John David's GGgrandfathers) and Bernhard
(Bowman) Susie Edna's GGgrandfather. All you need to do is find what
has been substantiated to date and tie into those data with
It appears that my last years sumittal of the Held family in Germany
made it to a Broderbund's World Family Trees CD. WFT Volume 26 Tree#976
seems to have my data on it. I submitted that about a year ago when
were only about 10 volumes published. If I knew it would have taken
long I could have sent an update that has much better data. My data now
probably has 3 times the entries and much more complete dates and
I will try a submittor request just to make sure it's mine.
Broderbund still has a major problem with their Internet Family
search engine. In my FTM web page I currently have 18 Michael Helds.
IFF search engine cannot find even one of them. I've complained to the
FTM rep on the FTMtech message board and have gotten no response. How
other hits on how many other names is it missing. There is no excuse
not finding names on their own webpages. They may be excluded from
their search robots to many places, but they should be able to search
It turns out that it is our Held ancestor data is on World Family Tree
Volume 26 Tree#976. HOWEVER, Broderbund has improperly identified
else as the submitter. I called the person and he assures me that he
no Helds in the database he submitted. I will continue to press BB-WFT
to straighten out the problem. I suspect that there are a lot of
to October 1998
Copyright 1998 by Fred H. Held